Friday Poll: What Should Radio's Brand Be?

    • 1373 posts
    May 1, 2014 11:41 PM PDT

    Happy Friday, everyone!

    For this week's poll question, we decided to focus on an issue raised by branding guru Blaine Parker in this week's edition of HOT SHOTS*.  Blaine contends that unlike eggs, milk, cheese, and RVs, radio has no brand.  Click here to read his argument in its entirety.  Then we'd like to hear your answers to these questions that Blaine posed:

    Why is radio so incapable of branding itself?  What should radio's brand be?  And if your station is successful, how has it risen above the abysmal state of the industry brand as a whole?

    Looking forward to reading your replies!  (And thank you for broaching this topic, Blaine!)

    *To subscribe to HOT SHOTS, Blaine's weekly missive -- always an entertaining and informative read -- click here.

    • 455 posts
    May 2, 2014 9:21 AM PDT

    Agree with part of what Blaine said. Big corps, accountants and lawyers do not lead to creativity. There all there to play it safe.

    I'm not sure that "radio" has to have a brand. Do billboards? TV?

    I think individual stations need to be branded. Branding a "cluster" is ridiculous. No one cares about the cluster. They only care about their station.

    Unfortunately, marketing companies are typically the worst at marketing themselves.

    • 58 posts
    May 2, 2014 10:19 AM PDT

    Maybe I'm not understanding the question, but it would seem ridiculous to me to try and brand radio as a whole.  That's like branding cell phones, television, or cars.  Each station is it''s own brand and each cell phone company, television or car maker has iit's own uniqueness and therefore it's own brand.  Can you imagine a car ad that said, "Get a car and you can go wherever you want."  The reason they pushed eggs, milk, and cheese as products was because many producers got behind that one unique product, ignored their own company brand in order to push said product across a vast area.  RV ads came out in the infancy of RV production to push folks to buy an RV.  But radio as a whole, should not have a brand.  Our new/talk station is not cheese.  Its cheddar.  Our hot AC is not an egg, but a brown egg.  And our classic hits station is not milk, but rather 2% milk.   And since branding happens through audio more than anything, if you want to brand a radio station, you would have to do it through another type of audio delivery system like TV, Youtube, or an online music service,  A very tough row to hoe. 

    • 58 posts
    May 2, 2014 11:02 AM PDT

    To be clear, I should have said above that, if you want to brand your radio station "to someone other than your present listeners." 

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    May 2, 2014 3:34 PM PDT

    In his book BILLION-DOLLAR BRANDING, Blaine proposes this simple definition of branding: Brand is the one way you want consumers to feel about your business.

    Remember this campaign from several years back?  According to the archived website's sponsors (and Radio's official cheerleaders), the Radio Advertising Bureau and the National Association of Broadcasters, "The campaign to remind listeners what they love most about free, local radio was incredibly successful." 

    Unfortunately, they didn't elaborate on how this success was defined or measured.

    Radio as a "brand" ...of what?  Entertainment?  Information?  Technology?  

    And as distinct from what other brands?  Television?  The Internet?  The Next New Thing?

    Is Radio seriously disadvantaged on account of its not having a well-defined brand?

    Some of Radio's most passionate evangelists are right here in this community, veterans of four and five decades' experience as well as enthusiastic young people who are just entering the business. My guess is that they're all involved, consciously or unconsciously, in the branding of their own stations - working to establish in the hearts of their listeners and advertisers a preference for them.

    As Jack and David have both indicated, Radio is easier to relate to as a category, rather than a brand.  One doesn't think of the Internet as a brand (perhaps that will change when Blaine gets to the right people) - but there are plenty of brands that come to mind when I think "Internet."  Amazon.  eBay.  Wikipedia.  Facebook.  Google.  You Tube.  All are top-of-mind. 

    Earlier today I wondered whether consumers consider Major League Baseball to be a brand.  After all, they have a logo.  (So do the NBA, the NHL, and the NFL.)  They have a website.  (Never been there until just now, when I Googled them.)

    Does it matter, really?

    The action for MLB (or any of the other national sports organizations) is really at the team level. Each team is a distinctive brand, stirring the hearts and minds of its legions of fans. 

    Individual radio stations are brands, too.  So are local morning shows, syndicated talk shows, and weekend special interest shows.  The strength of each of these brands, sub-brands of Radio, depends upon the quality of their marketing and execution. 

    A prominent local eye doctor recently called our morning news with Bill and Evan, "the best morning show in America."  He said so, right on Facebook, for all the world to see.  As far as he's concerned, it's absolutely true.  Even though you've never heard of Bill and Evan until just now.  

    Whether or not we'll ever agree on an overall Radio brand, local branding is important.

    • 121 posts
    May 4, 2014 4:03 PM PDT

    Sorry but I disagree with Blaine.  About the part that radio needs a brand.

    This 1st part pertains to how radio is perceived by the public:

     I do agree that there have been some terrible branding efforts by individual stations or owners, but to try and brand all radio under one brand is very similar to the corporate efforts to create homogeneity across the board with formats that were centralized from one studio to dozens, or hundreds of stations and markets.

    Each station needs a brand that reflects who they are in the community they serve.  I don't think we are at the point that people do not know what a radio station is.  With 90% of the population listening every week, even if the number of teens listening weekly is down to 70%, it's not a branding problem.  It's a relevancy problem.  You have to give people a reason to listen to what you offer.  Local information and local content must be included no matter what the music or other programming you offer.

    Now what about a brand, no make that a positioning statement, for our advertisers?

    Something I picked up over 25 years ago that I still say today, "Radio is Word of Mouth Advertising, with a Bigger Mouth". That usually hits home with most of the business owners I talk with,

    • 455 posts
    May 5, 2014 7:26 AM PDT

    I use something similar. "Radio is word of mouth on steroids" or "we have the biggest mouth in town".

    I LOVE using the word of mouth analogy. Many business people will say that their best advertising is word of mouth. I say that I agree with that but what's your message this week and who is controlling it?

    I tell clients I'm not concerned if people come into their business and say they heard an ad on the radio. I'm much more interested in creating positive word of mouth among the 200 people that every person knows or their circle of influence. 

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    May 5, 2014 4:33 PM PDT

    Jack, my friend Phil Bernstein used to tell clients and prospects that he was in the "ear rental" business, emphasizing the destination rather than the source. Always a good idea to emphasize the indispensable role of speech in human communication (print being an imitation of speech).

    • 53 posts
    May 9, 2014 2:31 PM PDT

    In the case of branding an industry, it would indeed seem a tough row to hoe. Good cheese comes from happy cows and happy cows come from California. Got Milk? Go RV'ing. The incredible edible egg. It would seem to be ridiculous to brand the mere ideas of California cheese, milk, RVs and eggs--but they've all four done it successfully. And this in spite of each industry having countless brands. Why shouldn't the radio industry be able to do it? To some degree, it's been tried before--and has been delivered to audiences only via radio, which is bordering on pointless. If a business doesn't decide exactly what its brand is, make it clear and deliver a distinctive and resonant message, people at large get to decide what the brand is. And the brand for radio stinks. Those of us inside it think radio's great. Outside radio, it's a whole different story. No reason why the radio industry shouldn't be able to develop a resonant brand campaign that drives home the joy of radio. Not that I have an opinion on this, of course...

    • 53 posts
    May 9, 2014 2:45 PM PDT

    You're talking about individual branding efforts. But what about a concerted effort by the industry (which has an industry organization just like many others) to give people a reason to believe the mere idea of radio is relevant? To many, radio simply isn't relevant. You say your "word-of-mouth" idea "usually hits home with most of the business owners I talk with." Excellent. It's a good line. But before you got to them, they already knew "got milk." They already knew about happy cows and California cheese. What did they think about radio before you told them anything? That it's in their car and has buttons? You're one man saying one relevant thing. Why isn't the industry saying something like that one relevant thing all over the country? I just think it's a shame that we have legions of talented radio folks across the country trying to sell the idea of radio, and there's no national effort to support it. And, as I said to Mr. Neely above, it's not like I have an opinion on this...

    • 53 posts
    May 9, 2014 2:54 PM PDT

    Thanks for lighting the fuse on this one, Rod. Just as a thought on this, I once created a campaign for the Southern California Broadcasters Association. It was called, "Radio Means Business." It was a series of spots about how much business can be generated through radio advertising. As far as I can tell, almost nobody ever actually ran the spots, which were made available free of charge--but still required the stations to give up 30- and 60-second slots to them. And for material they didn't create that didn't promote their own sales departments. What would have made more sense (besides the SCBA actually buying air time) is advertising in print media, internet, billboards, even direct mail. It was an effort to brand the idea not of radio, but of radio advertising, and it really needed to run someplace besides on radio. <sigh>

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    May 10, 2014 2:56 PM PDT

    Blaine, did you by any chance save those "Radio Means Business" spots? 

    I'd love to hear them - and to share them in our Pro-Radio Commercials repository.

    • 53 posts
    May 10, 2014 3:29 PM PDT

    I don't know, Rod. It's somewhere on a long filed hard drive. i just went to the SCBA's website. The page is still there, but the links don't link to anything. I'd have to dig.

    • 1373 posts
    May 16, 2014 11:34 AM PDT

    Thought you all might like to see Blaine's follow-up article on this topic (and just a reminder, you can read his original piece here):

    AND...WE'RE BACK!

     

    As you may remember, two weeks ago, this relentless weekly screed proposed that the radio brand, as a whole, sucks.

     

    (Let us not mice words, eh?)

     

    Questions were thrown out to you, the faithful reader, who may well work in radio.

     

    What is your theory? Why does the radio brand suck so bad, and what should the radio brand be?

     

    This question is so resonant, answers came from people who don't even read this e-rag.

     

    It seems that the eminent Rod Schwartz and the distinguished Rebecca Schwartz, both of Radio Sales Café (not to mention the same familial unit) really dig the question.

     

    So they posed it to their readers.

     

    Of course, those readers didn't have the several hundred words of preamble that appeared here, so the respondents all thought one thing.

     

     

    THEY THOUGHT YOUR FAITHFUL SCRIBE IS OUT OF HIS MIND

     

    Granted, with a little deeper thinking, the question might not have seemed as harebrained as it appears at first blush.

     

    Nonetheless, here are a couple of the choicest replies (respondent's names redacted, as they never saw the screed and had no idea they'd be quoted in this forum).

     

    Each station needs a brand

    that reflects who they are in

    the community they serve.  

    I don't think we are at the

    point that people do not

    know what a radio station

    is.  

     

    Well, that really wasn't the question, was it? "How do we help people understand what a radio station is?"

     

    By that rationale, "Got milk?" is an effort to make people understand what milk is.

     

    No, "Got milk?" was an effort to remind people that they should always have milk in the house.

     

     

    THIS SAME RESPONDENT ALSO SAID SOMETHING BRILLIANT

     

    Something I picked up over

    25 years ago that I still say

    today, "Radio is Word of

    Mouth Advertising, with a

    Bigger Mouth". That usually

    hits home with most of the

    business owners I talk with.

     

    Genius!

     

    Now, going back to the original premise about radio's brand, why is it incumbent upon one man in one market to drop this brilliant gem on one business owner at a time?

     

    Hell, ask him if he's "Got milk," and the business owner knows EXACTLY the source.

     

    Why isn't there a unified industry campaign saying something equally brilliant to this business owner across various media?

     

    We'll have one possible answer shortly.

     

    Now, possibly my favorite response to the questions, since it delivers a broadside to your screedmeister, is this:

     

     

    "MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION, BUT IT WOULD SEEM RIDICULOUS TO ME TO TRY AND BRAND RADIO AS A WHOLE."

     

    That's like branding cell phones,

    television, or cars. Each station  

    is its own brand and each cell phone

    company, television or car maker

    has it's own uniqueness and

    therefore its own brand. Can

    you imagine a car ad that said,

    "Get a car and you can go wherever

    you want."  

     

    Indeed, that would be ridiculous.

     

     

    "MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION, BUT IT WOULD SEEM RIDICULOUS TO ME TO TRY AND BRAND RADIO AS A WHOLE."

     

    This gentleman goes on to say:

     

    That's like branding cell phones,

    television, or cars.  Each station [has]

    is its own brand and each cell phone

    company, television or car maker

    has it's own uniqueness and

    therefore its own brand.  Can

    you imagine a car ad that said,

    "Get a car and you can go wherever

    you want."  

     

    Indeed, that would be ridiculous.It would, in fact, be asinine. 

     

    But to refer back to the original material, the ideas of eggs, cheese, milk and RVs have all been successfully branded.

     

    So it obviously isn't outside the realm of possibility that the radio industry could say ONE thing to make the ONE listener FEEL ONE WAY about terrestrial radio.

     

    (Again, one must cut this respondent some slack--he wasn't here for the full tee up.)

     

     

    SO, WHAT ABOUT THE CHAMPIONS FOR THIS CAUSE?

     

    Radio is the big elephant in

    the room... and the car... and

    the kitchen... and the shower...

    and the garage... and on the

    bedroom clock.  It's everywhere

    we are and yet we are determined

    to ignore it - because [it] doesn't

    require Bluetooth, ear buds,

    adapters, connectors to mini-

    speakers, SYNC, compatibility,

    buffering time to load... it's

    already there! So it gets ignored.     

    Yow. Sizzle. Thank you, Jim Gilles, Creative Services Director of Journal Broadcast Group in Milwaukee. (He also identifies himself as an "Aural Surgeon," which is equal parts punny and disturbing.)

     

    His thought might actually be the grain of sand that could turn into a pearl of a branding campaign for the idea of radio.

     

     

    MR. GILLES, BEING A READER OF THE RELENTLESS WEEKLY SCREED, UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION FULLY

     

    He goes on to say about radio:

     

    It also doesn't cost anything...

    People listen to radio - a lot -

    but maybe don't want to admit

    it. Old school. So yesterday. 

    Our stations have just launched

    a bunch of niche streaming

    stations available via smartphone

    app. Just fork over for that

    extra data package from your

    carrier, and you're on the

    cutting edge... of PAYING

    for radio that includes -

    wait for it - COMMERCIALS! 

     

    So, really, this doesn't answer any of the questions. But it was fun to read, and speaks to the mindset of the populous' radio ignorance.

     

    And Mr. Gilles proposed brand for radio?

     

    Save money, live better: broadcast

    radio. Oh, wait!  That's taken - but

    the same principle.  Why pay more

    to get the music you love? Listen

    to Variety 94.5! Every song on the

    face of the earth, and one of your

    favorites is coming up! (I just made

    that up, so a pox on you if you

    Bogart it!) 

     

     

    MR. GILLES ALSO HAS A THEORY ABOUT WHY WE'RE IN THE STATE WE'RE IN WITH RADIO-AND HOW TO REMEDY IT

     

    Somewhere in the 80's, the emphasis

    went to the client side. Radio is Red

    Hot!  Radio Active! Your message HERE! 

    While I agree that clients need to

    recognize radio stations lease access

    to listners minds - and a compelling

    message will herd them in their businesses'

    directions - there is another kind of

    client that is being ignored: the listener. 

    Make radio FUN to listen to again -

    with a FEELING (aka brand) that's

    in tune with listeners lifestyles,

    whatever that might mean - and

    Radio won't suck anymore. 

     

     

    WOW! PROVIDE BETTER CONTENT? CRAZY!

     

    There's an old saying in Hollywood: if it isn't on the page, it isn't on the screen.

     

    A bit simplistic for this argument, perhaps. Nonetheless, it does speak to the idea of content being king.

     

    If you don't have good, creative people providing good, compelling material, what's there to listen to?

     

    Barring emotionally-baited, right-wing political screed, of course. That's easy to do. Poke the animals from between the bars. And frankly, some people enjoy the crap out of that crap.

     

    In keeping with that thread of the argument, Dallas travel agent and comedian (not simultaneously) Dan Brantley says:

     

    The people I know who love "radio"

    actually loved Kid Kraddick, and still

    listen to the current show. Or Tom

    Joyner, or whoever. Which means

    content has trumped the delivery

    method. Many of these folks would

    get XM or Sirius, if it was the only

    way to get their program, or stream

    it over their in-car connection.

     

    Imagine that scenario. The good, compelling content providers can jump ship and go subscription and the people will follow.

     

    Dan also says very pointedly: "I have no idea how to 'fix' radio's brand."

     

    (As a footnote to all that, Mr. Brantley has long been a student of the ONE WAY focus of brand that we espouse here-which he applied in his move from being merely a general travel agent to becoming a "golf travel specialist." We love Dan Brantley.)

     

     

    AND NOW, FOR THE RADIO SALES PRO'S ANALYSIS OF THE CORE PROBLEM

     

    Yes, the most pointed and depressing commentary has been saved for last.

     

    I'm afraid to use his name here, as he says some unflattering things about some big companies.

     

    So maybe we'll just call him "Bill" (not his real name as far as you know).

     

    Bill is a longtime radio pro whom I've known since the '90s.

     

    Ready?

     

    Bill starts by saying...

     

     

    "A FAIR QUESTION, TO BE SURE.  AND A REAL AND SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM."

     

    Well, that makes me feel better. Because, certainly, the guys from Radio Sales Café who called the question "ridiculous" were undermining my sense of self.

     

    "Bill" continues...

     

    Radio has great difficulty creating

    a brand because the largest brands

    inside radio are [so] consumed with

    fighting one another that they would

    never work together. Even when

    they pretend to work together, they

    stab one another in the back on a

    sales initiative (buy our radio group

    exclusively and we'll give you a ton

    of free crap you can't refuse). 

     

     

    WHAT? WAIT! I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED TO FIND THERE'S GAMBLING GOING ON IN HERE!

     

    "Bill" echoes earlier sentiments expressed by both Mr. Gilles and Mr. Brantley:

     

    Forget what must be best for the client. 

    Radio needs to rally together under one

    banner and talk about our strengths and

    what the consumers actually use it for

    (new music discovery, discussion of national

    topics, connection with culture). We

    need to work together with auto

    manufacturers and phone companies

    to have ONE unified solution to being

    on the dash and phone screen. [Mr.  

    Brantley has suggested something  

    similar.] We have to show we are relevant 

    and let them know how we continue

    to be relevant.  If we don't, we won't.

     

    So, there you have it. Brand radio as a whole by selling the idea of relevance.  

     

    It might be a crazy, ridiculous, asinine idea.

     

    Or, it might be just what our "Got milk," "happy cows," "incredible, edible egg" culture could use to make people feel better about the old-fashioned radio dial.


     

    As always,

     

     


    Blaine Parker
    Your Lean, Mean Creative Director in
    Park City

    www.slowburnmarketing.com
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    May 16, 2014 4:28 PM PDT

    Our radio station in Stephenville Texas, KWBY is locally owned and operated by myself and my husband and has only been in business for a little over a year. In a town of a little over 17,000 people and a competitor radio station in town, we knew we had to brand ourselves and make ourselves stand out from the other station. Before we started, we asked around town what people wanted to hear music wise...we got two things: Classic Rock and "Texas/Red Dirt" - We play both. We came up with KWBY and dubbed ourselves "Cowboy Capital. Cowboy Radio" since Stephenville is the "Cowboy Capital of The World" and Cowboys/Rodeos don't play one solid genre. We play what our listeners want to hear and in this part of Texas, between the Ft. Worth Stockyards and Austin, Tx where independent music is key, they DO NOT want to hear "Bro Country" or Main Stream Nashville music and we use that to our advantage with "No Bro Country" promos... promos that say "them...and have Luke Bryan playing .... Us and have AC/DC .... Them followed by Taylor Swift .... Us followed by Randy Rogers, etc" We even had a listener write a "No Bro Country" song that we us as a jingle. It has gone over better than we expected and our listeners are busting out of the walls for just one year in business. Our logo is custom to us with barbed wire and the call letters stand out better anything else and people are recognizing it. We say "Cowboy Capital. Cowboy Radio." ALL the time and we've received many videos of little kids and families saying our slogan...without asking for themWe were the "New" station in town and we had to get the listener's attention ... we became the "rebels" going against every station that had ever been in this town and doing our own thing and promoting it as such and luckily, it has worked. We are also VERY involved in our community and attend as many events as physically possible and do tons of self-promotion. I completely believe in finding "YOU AS A STATION" and branding that. We actually were nominated for two awards at the Texas Regional Radio Awards Show in March and asked to come and speak about how we branded our station in less than a year.

    If we do nothing to promote and brand ourselves as radio stations, how can we ask potential advertisers to trust us to do it for them?

    -Sara 

    KWBY 107.9 & 98.5

    Stephenville, Tx

    www.kwbyradio.com

    • 53 posts
    May 16, 2014 8:30 PM PDT

    Hey, Sara--

    Good stuff. I applaud the effort.

    The point I'm making is about the brand of the radio industry as a whole. Why isn't there a national branding effort on behalf of radio to sell the idea of its continued relevance? Where's our "Got Milk?" And why does the general brand of radio suck?

    All that said, you raise an interesting question: how can we ask potential advertisers to trust radio stations to brand them if radio stations can't brand themselves?

    I propose that the branding efforts stations make on their own behalf is typically far better than the effort they make on behalf of their clients.

    But then, is branding a client the station's job?

    Shouldn't a client come to the station with an idea of what their brand is? And shouldn't the station's job merely be to deliver that brand via radio?

    In a perfect world, yes.

    But that often isn't the case.

    And most stations are woefully ill prepared to help the client in that regard.

    My guess, based on your delightful screed, is that your station is an exception.

    I've actually done a teleseminar with Dan O'.Day called "Branding Backwards."

    Since my background is radio, and our agency specializes in branding for small businesses, we have a distinct opinion on this issue, to wit: a station should always be prepared to create the brand for a client.

    It is possible to brand an unbranded client and deliver that brand over the air. I did it for years. A client should come with a brand. It shouldn't be the job of the station to define the brand. But it can be done. And a station can deliver it.

    Thanks for your delightfully incredulous reply. Go Cowboy.

    Cheers,

    Blaine